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Poster: A Dude Date: Dec 1, 2005 8:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Classification Of Grateful Dead Recordings

Note that all of these restrictions only apply to Archive.org .

There has been no change in the overall GD Policy on downloading shows.

So, we are free to download SBD shows from any other site (as long as there is no official release of the show).

And there are a number of such sites and they are seeing more traffic lately. :)

The one difference is that - unlike the Archive - they don't have all shows at all times. Someone says "how about doing 73 RFK" and then that is uploaded (usually by BitTorrent, occasionally on FTP).

To do the same thing as Archive would require the same huge investment in hard drives, servers and bandwidth - you'd need some very heavy duty sponsors. And then you would have GDM knocking at your door, and you would have to go through the same trip. If you chose not to honor the artist's wishes, THEN you need a whole building full of lawyers !

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Poster: Chris U. Date: Dec 1, 2005 9:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Classification Of Grateful Dead Recordings

" If you chose not to honor the artist's wishes, THEN you need a whole building full of lawyers !"

Um, what is the Chimperor's phrase?

Oh yeah: "Bring it on."

And just to make it interesting, let's hire John Barlow as a testifying expert.

My question is what exactly is the threat that was communicated to brewster et al.?

If public domain soundboards remain available for download on this site, then ... what happens exactly?

The Dead sues its fans? Some "donors" pull their money and cease supporting the site?

My apologies if these questions have been answered already. As I've indicated, the general discussion among apologists for the "new rules" is that "we should do what Mickey Hart says because he played drums and he's entitled to change his mind and claim copyright to recordings he's never heard."

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Dec 1, 2005 11:43am
Forum: etree Subject: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings


I am going to side with the grateful dead on this one. You will notice there is very little stream-only things on this site... why? because we dont think it works well.

But why stream these recordings? because it seems to be a compromise that keeps some access but not enough to cause severe problems.

Please take a bigger view and a nicer one: lets let our whole community: bands, fans, tapers, archivists learn a bit and flex. As they say: bend, dont break.

With respect and patience we will come up with something great. With hard-lines that seem extreme we could lose much more than we can gain.

Your words sting, they hurt. We do this because we love it, we dont get paid much, we live in the public sphere. Other people are in different situations, but everyone wants respect.

We had a hard week last week. We have something going here. Lets give it a rest and celebrate.

I may be asking too much, but please consider apologizing to the band, pull down one of those great '71 auds like I did an hour ago and pop it in your cd player.

It is more fun.

Peace.

-brewster

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Poster: sonomajon Date: Dec 2, 2005 2:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings

I just want to thank you all for maintining your equanimity amid the firestorm of the past week..I was fortunate enough to be in school in upstate NY in 1977 and smack dab in front of JG for many of the legendary shows of spring and fall of 77'...so i'd like to think i know a "good thing" when i experience it...This archive is just that!...From democracy now to dancin in the streets and all that lies between... this space is awesome! The fallout has a lot to do with the simple fact that once the genie is out of the bottle...it's hard put it back in. Combine that with this instant gratification age we all have become accustomed to and you have discontent among the loyal masses of Deadheads. Once again the powers that be in the dead organization have stumbled in their attempt to acheive their goals. It's nothing new and in my mind, embodied in the culture of the grateful dead is forgiveness and compassion. The soundboards are out there for the trading...and the audience recordings are right here...perserverence furthurs..also you all at IA were very gracious in your public statement/apology regarding this matter in taking some of the heat of the band/organization...kudos to you!

in great appreciation and respect,

jon

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Poster: kymusicjunky Date: Dec 1, 2005 11:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings

Wow! A rare voice of reason (haha). Just a thought for those of you out there that do want to take advantage of the streams currently available on The Archive. There is a program called Total Recorder that will easily capture whatever is streaming into your computer. It will even handle the audio track from video sources. It is easy to use and it makes quality .wav files that you can burn to CD. So, you can still make your own recordings, it's just a little harder than before. Just thought I'd try to help.

Also, www.yousendit.com allows up to 1 GB file transfers directly to someone's email. You should check it out if you're interested in doing person to person trades without using USPS. Contact me at kymusicjunky@yahoo.com if you want some more information or would like to trade some shows. Bye for now, Dave.

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Poster: laptaper Date: Mar 15, 2006 7:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings

Yousendit sounds like a cool idea. Recording streams is fine for personal use, but for God's sake, DON'T TRADE (OR SEED) THEM. It's only .mp3 quality, ask around at one of the bt sites first or try to set up a trade with someone listed on etree.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 2, 2005 12:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings

Lest someone start up about being scared of them again here, here's to forestall that:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=49677

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Poster: smagnolia Date: Dec 1, 2005 11:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Streaming Grateful Dead Recordings

Yes, it was a very hard week and I'm all up for that rest and celebration. So much to be grateful for!
Peace back atcha!